The elusive Michael Lee

[pomp]

These:

1871 Census
70 Gloster St, Aberdare, Merthyr
Timothy Lee, Hd, 49 (b. 1832), Cork Co Cork, Haulier
Margaret, wife, 62 (b. 1819), Cork Co Cork
John Coleman, Grandson, 7, Merthyr

1871 Census
Pond Street Merthyr
Timothy Lee, 44 (b. 1827), Ireland
Margaret Lee, 43 (b. 1828), Ireland

Can I ask why you think the Pond St Merthyr Tim and Marg aren't mine?

Thanks

David

Is that 1881 for Gloster Street, Aberdare. Are these the same couple?

I am tempted to ask why you think that the Pond Street Merthyr are yours?

Yes you are right - I've amended the Gloster St date in the original post.

The Gloster St ages seem amiss with the Pond St ages - it's not that I think the Pond St inhabitants are mine, it's just that I haven't discounted them .... they might or might not be  :/

[pomp]

Whilst looking for Michael, I have come across this:

May 1896 Gaol record
Michael Lee, 45 yrs born 1851 committed at Merthyr for being Drunk and Disorderly. He is a labourer and born County Mayo.

This illustrates the difficulty in trying to find the right man.
I was posting on the Cork board and skimmed over this thread but really not sure what has been posted and discounted.

How ever did you spot that - my word!

[heywood]

I am trying to rub everything out and start again as I am now wondering 

I am not familiar with places and distances so have to keep checking.


1881 Margaret Lay is born Cork and Mary Ann is born Blaina
1871 Margaret Leahy is born Llanelly and Mary Ann is born Tredegar
** in this census she is boarding with Mary Rees (Gibbon) b Llanelly.

There is a Gibbon family living in Llanelly, Breconshire with Mary and Margaret plus siblings with parents William and Keziah. Are the two Margarets and Mary Anns above, the same persons.

Interestingly, the Gibbons have a daughter Rachel and so do these two sisters.

[pomp]

I am trying to rub everything out and start again as I am now wondering 

I am not familiar with places and distances so have to keep checking.


1881 Margaret Lay is born Cork and Mary Ann is born Blaina
1871 Margaret Leahy is born Llanelly and Mary Ann is born Tredegar
** in this census she is boarding with Mary Rees (Gibbon) b Llanelly.

There is a Gibbon family living in Llanelly, Breconshire with Mary and Margaret plus siblings with parents William and Keziah. Are the two Margarets and Mary Anns above, the same persons.

Interestingly, the Gibbons have a daughter Rachel and so do these two sisters.

I'm struggling to find that 1871 census referred to above 

[pomp]

This looks to be them:

1851 Census
Side of Duar, Llanelly, Crickhowell, Breconshire
William Gibbon, Hd,37 (b. 1814), Iron founder, Bedwas Glam
Keziah, wife, 40 (b. 1811), Merthyr Glam
Rees, son, 16 (b. 1835), Haulier, Merthyr
Ann, dau, 12 (b. 1839), Merthyr
Catherine, Dau, 10 (b. 1841), Llanelly
Meyrick, son, 5 (b. 1846), Llanelly
Rachel, dau, 3 (b. 1848), Llanelly
Margaret, 1 (b. 1850), Llanelly

1871 Census
Geo St, Bedwelty, Monm
William Gibbon, Hd, 57 (b. 1814), founder, Monm
Keziah, wife, 64 (b. 1807), Monm
Eliza, dau, 17 (b. 1854), dress maker, Llanelly
Eliza Ann Gibbon, Grand dau, 10 (b. 1861), Tredegar Monm

1891
Iron Street, Bedwelty, Monm
John Rees Hd and family
Keziah Gibbon, Boarder, 62 (b. 1829), Rhymney

[heywood]

I am trying to rub everything out and start again as I am now wondering 

I am not familiar with places and distances so have to keep checking.


1881 Margaret Lay is born Cork and Mary Ann is born Blaina
1871 Margaret Leahy is born Llanelly and Mary Ann is born Tredegar
** in this census she is boarding with Mary Rees (Gibbon) b Llanelly.

There is a Gibbon family living in Llanelly, Breconshire with Mary and Margaret plus siblings with parents William and Keziah. Are the two Margarets and Mary Anns above, the same persons.

Interestingly, the Gibbons have a daughter Rachel and so do these two sisters.

I'm struggling to find that 1871 census referred to above 

It’s in reply #30 

Do you think that the information thus far- 1881 and 1871 are the same people despite different birthplaces and more importantly your Margaret and Mary Ann.

[pomp]

I think that yes they probably are the right people

[heywood]

I am sticking to my train of thought here and trying not to put any sideways people.
Most if not all information is in #replies 30 and 31 and on your Irish thread.
Also other rootschatters have posted lots of information elsewhere which may be repeated here.
As I wrote, I haven’t followed Michael after 1891 - I think you have him.
Ages may vary but that is not unusual.

1893.
Mary Lee death Bedwelty

1891 4356/6/10
George Street Tredegar
Mary Leigh 60 yrs b Cork

1891 4353/10/14
Pit Row, Blaina
Michael Lee and family.

Looking at children’s births, the family moved from Tredegar to Blaina

1883 Timothy Leahy death Bedwelty

1881 5240/118/53
Pit Row, Blaina
Michael Lay and family

1881 5243/5/4
Timothy and Mary Leialy
Carpenters Yard Tredegar  * in same area as Pond Row and George Street

1871 5321/14/21
George Street Tredegar
Margaret Leahy
Mary Ann Leahy
(with Rees family)

*cannot see Michael Lee in 1871

1871 5319/40/21
Duke Street Tredegar
Timothy Lehary
Mary Lehary
With daughter Ellen Fling

1861 3998/40/15
Duke Street Tredegar
Timothy Leahy
Mary Leahy plus children


See reply #31 for possible links to Cork for some of the children named in 1861 which are based on 1856 birth of Mary Leary in Abergavenny district with mother’s name of Forrest.

That, I think, is a summary of my reasoning but without certificates it is not reluable plus the added complications of name changes and ages.

Lay could be a pronunciation of Leahy as could Lee and Leigh.

[pomp]

Yes I’m pretty much the same as that - which certificates would help confirm that?

I’ll order this morning

D