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Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« on: Monday 13 May 19 09:12 BST (UK) »
Looking for help tracing my dads side of the family .my dad's name is amos Smith and he's married to darki Smith   
My dad is one of 11 children,my grandfather name was Natty Smith.
My dad's family have lived in Hereford for many years and its a big family .they are a gypsy family.
Any info on my family will be grateful as I'm trying to track family tree.
Thanks Jerry Smith

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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #1 on: Monday 13 May 19 11:03 BST (UK) »
Hello & welcome
The first thing I have to say is that Rootschat has a policy of not naming any one still living
so you might find your dad's name being removed.
What you need are birth & marriage certificates.
You know your Grandfather was (assuming he's now deceased) Natty probably Nathaniel Smith so you
need his marriage cert. to find his father's name.
It's difficult to advise any further unless you tell us exactly what you have so far.
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Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #2 on: Monday 13 May 19 11:33 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Welcome to RootsChat.

Have found an article in Kington Times 13 February 1959 where a Mr Natty Smith of the Caravan Site, Hoarwithy Road, Hereford was sold a caravan for 90. Unfortunately the man selling the caravan was buying it on hire purchase for 276, he got into difficulty paying the instalments and sold the caravan. He was unaware that he was not able to do so.

I presume this could be your grandfather (Natty Smith)?

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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #3 on: Monday 13 May 19 12:27 BST (UK) »
How do I get natty Smith marriage, birth certificate.
I don't know dob for him and don't know how to go about finding it.

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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #4 on: Monday 13 May 19 12:56 BST (UK) »
Do you know when and where Natty died as that record could give his birth date?

Do you know which of Natty's children was born first? Please only post details if this person had died.

Was Natty actually Nathaniel?

What was your grandmother's name?

Could you ask any family for more details?

Apologies for so many question but the more info we have the better we'll be able to help.  :)

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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #5 on: Monday 13 May 19 13:25 BST (UK) »
The is an A--- Smith & a D--- Smith in the  Hereford Electoral rolls. 2003-2010

It look like Mrs Smith was b 1848-18501948-1950-ish  from there (unless she was lying about her age)
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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #6 on: Monday 13 May 19 13:29 BST (UK) »
The is an A--- Smith & a D--- Smith in the  Hereford Electoral rolls. 2003-2010

It look like Mrs Smith was b 1848-1850-ish  from there (unless she was lying about her age)

I think they may have married in 1969, Hereford.

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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #7 on: Monday 13 May 19 13:31 BST (UK) »
I was also looking at    4th qtr  1958 Volume Number:   8c  Page Number:   93

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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #8 on: Monday 13 May 19 13:38 BST (UK) »
Hello
This looks like him
Death Hereford Nathaniel Smith born 12 May 1908 died June qtr 1991 Hereford
ref  29 315
Birth June qtr 1908 Hereford 6a 489.
His parents are Nathaniel and Charlotte born 1876 Forest of Dean and 1882 Martley Worc.

There are 5 possible marriages and a 1939 and 1911 record (which I'm not allowed to post for copyright reasons).
Elder brother Enos  born Dec 1899 Weobley mother's maiden name Davies.?
Natty's suggests Smith
There is also a suggestion that the parents weren't married until June qtr 1916
Nathaniel Smith or Johns and Charlotte Smith at Hereford  6a 1138.
They appear on the 1939 index as Johns .
Charlotte does seem to be Smith on the 1881 census age 3 born  Martley in Martley workhouse.

Can't see them on the 1901 which I could post.

Nathaniel Johns birth Dec 1876 Westbury on Severn 6a 259 does seem to match up,
Father is Nathaniel Johns ,mother Rhoda Smith on an Ancestry family tree.

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