Looking for info regarding James Barr, Dalry

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I've discovered from the suggestions above that my great grandmother had two siblings I didn't know about, Alexander Barr born 15 July 1901 in New Ardrossan, Ayrshire and Mary Barr, born 24 February 1907 in Stevenson, Ayrshire. Haven't managed to find out anything more about them yet.

[ColC]

MARY BARR
age 0
1908
death Stevenston

Colin

[ColC]

Not sure about this but you will need to see the censuses 1911/1921 on SP to check. 


Alexander, with a relative?
ALEXANDER BARR 1911 M age 10 609/ 6/ 17 Ochiltree Ayr

BELLA MARTIN BARR 1911F age 49 609/ 6/ 17 Ochiltree Ayr


ALEXANDER BARR 1921 M age 20 609/ 6/ 15 Ochiltree Ayr

ISABELLA BARR 1921 F age 65 609/ 6/ 15 Ochiltree Ayr


Below also on census at reference 609/ 6/ 13 Ochiltree Ayr

WILLIAM BARR marriage MARY HAZLE  1916 Ochiltree

ISABELLA BARR mother BOYLE F 1917 birth Ochiltree


Colin

[dippitybix]

Not sure about this but you will need to see the censuses 1911/1921 on SP to check. 


Alexander, with a relative?
ALEXANDER BARR 1911 M age 10 609/ 6/ 17 Ochiltree Ayr

BELLA MARTIN BARR 1911F age 49 609/ 6/ 17 Ochiltree Ayr


ALEXANDER BARR 1921 M age 20 609/ 6/ 15 Ochiltree Ayr

ISABELLA BARR 1921 F age 65 609/ 6/ 15 Ochiltree Ayr


Below also on census at reference 609/ 6/ 13 Ochiltree Ayr

WILLIAM BARR marriage MARY HAZLE  1916 Ochiltree

ISABELLA BARR mother BOYLE F 1917 birth Ochiltree


Colin

Thanks very much for this Colin.

I'm thinking that Alexander most probably also died young like Mary.

Re-examining the poor house records I obtained from Ayrshire archives, Sarah Barr their mother made an application for relief 30th March 1909, after her husband deserted.

On the record it has a list of family living with the applicant which are:

William 19 Years
Lizzie 15 Years
Sarah 7 Years
James 3 Years

A further application for relief was made 5th April 1909 after Sarah Barr had died in the poorhouse. On this application it gives their residence as C/O Mrs McColm - so assuming it's a Mrs McColm who is looking after the young children. On this application it's for Sarah junior and her brother James.

The last record I have is from 14th October 1911, an application made by the father Samuel Barr for relief for Sarah and James. It says William and Lizzie are not living with the applicant.

No mention of Alexander on any of the records.

[dippitybix]

MARY BARR
age 0
1908
death Stevenston

Colin

Thanks for this Colin.

[ColC]

Regarding Alexander, I do not see a death for him at a young age, I think from your latest post, it is more likely he was not the son of Samuel.

Colin

[dippitybix]

Regarding Alexander, I do not see a death for him at a young age, I think from your latest post, it is more likely he was not the son of Samuel.

Colin

That’s interesting, I didn’t think of that. Although Samuel Barr is listed as his father on the birth certificate. But I suppose this could be a reason why he deserted the home. Although his wife Sarah was by the looks of it very ill. She had jaundice when she applied for poor relief and died of “brain disease” in the poorhouse.

[ColC]

If that is the case I think at least another look at the census returns might be worth a look. I checked the 1901 transcription for the family on Ancestry, see below.
Maybe there is some connection?

1901 Dixton, Ochiltree, Ayrshire
Alice Barr 43 Head (Husband) a Ploughman born Ireland* (Alex on SP)
Isabella Martin Barr 42 Wife born Ireland
Louisa Barr 13 Daur born Monkton and Prestwick
Isabella Barr 11 Daur born Maybole
Robert Barr 8 Son born Maybole
William Barr 5 Son ?

*Typical Ancestry transcription.

BARR birth registrations Ayrshire mother MARTIN

ISABELLA MARTIN 1889 Maybole
SARAH 1898 Irvine
ROBERT ALEXANDE 1892 Maybole
LUISA 1886 Monkton and Prestwick
ALEXANDER 1896 Stevenston
ELIZABETH 1892 Kilwinning
ALEXANDER 1901 Ardrossan New

Clearly Alexander 1901 born after census. No deaths of any of the above names mother Martin 1896 – 1901.

Marriage of ALEXANDER BARR and ISABELLA MARTIN
on 29 November 1878

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11114/8068485.pdf

Colin

[ColC]

I thought it would be helpful to add to my previous post.

This is the post 8 by Kiltaglassen

30 October 1889 at Dromore, Banbridge, Dromore, Co Down.
Both single of full age.

SAMUEL BARR signed X, Labourer of Drumboneth, father Alexander Labourer 
SARAH MARTIN signed, of Skeagh,  father Samuel Labourer

Witnesses James* & Minnie Heylitt

…….

My post 16.

Marriage on 29 November 1878, Banbridge, Dromore, Co Down. 
Both single of full age, signed X.

ALEXANDER BARR Labourer, of Bally??? father Alexander Labourer 
ISABELLA MARTIN of Skeagh, father Samuel Labourer

Witnesses, both signed, Samuel Martin & James Heylitt*

*He signed others on the same pages of the above records

Colin