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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 23 December 24 21:40 GMT (UK) »
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/historic-wrexham.html?page=5&sortBy=relevant

There's an image of Mount House on here.   3rd row down next to Bubbles Ty  Pawb.
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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 23 December 24 23:11 GMT (UK) »

These take a while to load.

Sorry it's a bit messy.

Thanks for your help. Yes, have come across those, and they are the main source that links the Griffith family to various properties in Esclusham, one of them being mine as it is shown on a 1740 estate map with the name Edw Griffith against it. Hopefully the same Edward Griffith, wife Sarah, father to Elizabeth. What is tricky to untangle is what the properties mentioned in those old records and in old newspapers are called now. Mine and several others have been renamed, but it would be a start to get the tree for the owners so I am sure who is who. I think in part the various farms in the Minera and Esclusham area changed owners a fair bit as they hoped to get rich through the mineral wealth under the land (The Burton family in particular - John Burton owned my property at the time of the tithe map). I expect there were also some changes of ownership intended to benefit from enclosure acts. On top of that we have english documents recording transactions of welsh properties so the names tend to get mangled. You would think with names of houses, streams, fields, copses and dingles as well as some acreages, it would be possible to marry up transactions from 1740s to parts of the tithe map a 100 years later, but it is actually very difficult. Fields in particular tend to be called big field, near field, upper field, lower field etc, properties change their names, and acreages can change if fields are sold. I'll keep pecking away at it though, slowly building a picture of Esclusham Above in the 18th century. It is an interesting pursuit on a rainy day.

Oh, and I left out the legalese  .. it is often quite hard to figure out what the transaction is.

Steve

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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 December 24 11:49 GMT (UK) »
Do you have the 1780 will of Edwards Griffith, Gent, Llofftwen ?
https://viewer.library.wales/637239#?xywh=529%2C1220%2C830%2C537

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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 24 December 24 20:48 GMT (UK) »
 John Burton owned my property at the time of the tithe map). I expect there were also some changes of ownership intended to benefit from enclosure acts. On top of that we have english documents recording transactions of welsh properties so the names tend to get mangled. You would think with names of houses, streams, fields, copses and dingles as well as some acreages, it would be possible to marry up transactions from 1740s to parts of the tithe map a 100 years later, but it is actually very difficult.


I did some work with the Cynefin project, and it was quite confusing when actual properties were not named, just house and garden etc.
One place near me has always been called Parsonage Farm, simply because of the farmers family name from the 1800s
When the building was demolished about 15 years ago a new house was built on the site, at first it kept the name, then it was sold and the new owners named it Holly House.
We still have roads named after the farmers who had their places nearby. 

I'm interested in which is your property. I have a few books about Minera but none have information much earlier than the mid 1800s.
I know Lloftwen was connected with Adwy Chapel,  and Dissenters held meetings there c 1784 according to information read somwhere.
I also did some research on Minera Hall ..




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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 24 December 24 22:59 GMT (UK) »
Do you have the 1780 will of Edwards Griffith, Gent, Llofftwen ?
https://viewer.library.wales/637239#?xywh=529%2C1220%2C830%2C537

Oh what a find! Thanks for this Christmas present.

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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 24 December 24 23:15 GMT (UK) »
These are also interesting.

https://thefireonthehill.wordpress.com/2015/02/23/the-practical-miner-thomas-smith-of-minera/

Mentions Lloftwen.,

https://viewer.library.wales/860698#?xywh=-1613%2C-212%2C6231%2C4232

Will of Thomas Smith.

Many Thanks, very interesting - I didn't spot Sarah mentioned in the will of Thomas Smith. Maybe she was the daughter of his son Thomas. I'll have to do some checking on dates, should be able to work it out.

Merry Christmas,
Steve

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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 26 December 24 15:53 GMT (UK) »
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4586973/4586977/29/George%2BOR%2BGriffith

George Griffith and Robert Glyn Griffith were brothers.
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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 26 December 24 16:06 GMT (UK) »
Chester Chronicle 17 May 1815.
R G Griffith Lloftwen is in a list of subscribers for a Military trophy.
  Below him is a George Griffith Wrexham Fechan
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