Farm Owned by Murphys in Armagh

[Murphy616]

This is all very positive thanks so much! I will do some checking over all this info when I get some time today hopefully. You're all very helpful thanks again ☺️

Not to confuse things but Francis went to America at some point but I've no idea on the year of if it was from Ireland or Scotland. But would assume it may be possible to find travel documents from around the period.

[heywood]

On the birth registration of an earlier child of the same couple (Andrew), Patrick is described as a farmer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03620/2336410.pdf

Great finds.
It looks as though Andrew was a twin. There was also a child, Laurence born at the same timr but record not marked as such.

[Murphy616]

Hmm I don't believe Andrew was a twin. He was born later on than his brother's and also had a sister. But no name of Laurence rings a bell.

[Wexflyer]

Hmm I don't believe Andrew was a twin. He was born later on than his brother's and also had a sister. But no name of Laurence rings a bell.

Perhaps because Laurence died in 1890?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1890/06092/4738525.pdf

I see 7 children for Patrick and Ann/Alice (her name varies). Could be more before start of registration in 1864.

[heywood]

I was thinking it might be interesting for your records which initially seemed scant indeed.

[Murphy616]

I was thinking it might be interesting for your records which initially seemed scant indeed.

It's all really useful thank you! I'll definitely reference them all with my auntie when I get the chance. Out of the huge family we have sadly it's only me and her that seem to be doing any investigation!

[heywood]

When was Francis supposed to have owned the farm - before or after his marriage?
Did he remain in Scotland?
If so, do you have his death certificate to confirm that the records here are the right family?
As has been pointed out, Scottish records would contain information re his parents.

[heywood]

Death of Alice Murphy 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05868/4663631.pdf

[Elwyn Soutter]

At the moment this Irish research is largely guesswork because we don’t have both Francis’s parents names. They are easily obtained from his 1898 marriage certificate on  Scotlandspeople for about £1.60, as I explained previously. Provide us with that information and we’ll try and find the family for you in Ireland.

My money now is on a different family from the Ballinliss family we have been looking at. There’s  another in Ballynarea, with a Francis that fits. Mother was Ann Heaney. But you’ll need to get his correct parents names for us to know if that is right.