Farm Owned by Murphys in Armagh

[heywood]

That’s what i was thinking.
If Francis died in Scotland, there would be more information on the death certificate too re his parents, i think.

[Murphy616]

Thanks everyone anyway. Apologies I don't have a huge amount of information you see. This is almost a last resort as most of the information went when my my grandma passed away. I never even met my grandad. So a lot of this info comes from my eldest Auntie who unfortunately doesn't have many records!

But on Find my past I found that Francis was born in 1874. So would assume the farm came closer to the early 1900s. Again this is a guess. And makes it more complicated as I know they were in Scotland by 1915.

Scotlands People

There is s birth for Andrew Murphy, 1915, Shettleston with mother’s surname, Smyth.
Is that your family?
Where did Francis die? Do you have his death certificate?

Marriage
1898 Cambuslang
Francis Murphy and Mary Ann Smyth

Yes this is definitely my family! Francis died in Scotland in about 1933 I believe. His father was Patrick Murphy.

[Wexflyer]

Yes this is definitely my family! Francis died in Scotland in about 1933 I believe. His father was Patrick Murphy.

So I take it they are not going to be in Ireland in the 1901 or 1911 census?

[Wexflyer]

The is a birth for a Francis Murphy in Newry SRD in 1872. Father Patrick, a laborer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03227/2183111.pdf

What was Patrick's occupation on his son's marriage registration?

[Elwyn Soutter]

Scottish marriage certificates record mothers’ names as well as fathers. They also record whether those parents were alive or dead at that date. If dead, it will normally say “dcd” after their name and if alive that will be absent. (Scottish authorities were pretty meticulous about that detail).

So, as Wexflyer says, can you tell us Francis’s father’s name and occupation. Likewise his mother’s, plus whether they were alive or dead in 1898?

[Wexflyer]

On the birth registration of earlier children of the same couple (twins Andrew & Laurence), Patrick is described as a farmer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03620/2336410.pdf

[Wexflyer]

Link for location of Ballinliss townland
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/orior-upper/killevy-upper-orior-portion/killevy/ballinliss/

[Wexflyer]

There is a Patrick Murphy in Ballinliss in the 1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Killeavy/Ballinliss/1034068/

[Wexflyer]

Griffith's Valuation, published 1864, shows Patrick Murphy with a small 7 acre farm in Ballinliss.

There was also a butcher in the townland. Whether that qualifies as an abattoir, or not, I know not.