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Re: GLOBE CEMETERY (Dalziel Parish Cemetery) PHOTOGRAPHS
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 19 July 23 00:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Bella,

Congratulations on breaking down a couple of brick walls, it's always good to hear a success story. Thanks too for coming back to tell us all of your progress, it makes my day (and many other stalwarts of this group) when we get feedback about help we've given.
Too often we hear nothing and sometimes I spend a great deal of time, between delving into records and/or going to burial grounds for inscriptions/photographs, only to hear nothing at all from the original poster, a wee "thanks you" would be appreciated.
So Bella, any other help you need, just ask (although I don't do ironing but, apart from that!)
Good luck with the rest of your research,
Lodger
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 19 July 23 01:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Lodger,

My apologies for such a delayed response.  Due to health issues, my family history efforts happen in short bursts but I'm getting there slowly  :) 

I am VERY appreciative of others' help as I can't easily manage to get to places in person to look up records etc.  It's fantastic to be able to access a wealth of information online but there's still a good deal that's not online that I need assistance with.

The White family has been interesting - I'll try to do a post about what I know so far about William and Mary & their sons and also ask for some help with a few more gaps.

best wishes
Bella

PS It's a shame you can't help with the ironing as that's not one of my favourite chores!!

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« Reply #38 on: Thursday 22 February 24 17:25 GMT (UK) »
I bought a postcard of "Dalziel Cemetery' that I am assuming is the same place as 'Globe Cemetery' based on what i've read on here. I've tried to attach a photo of the postcard but keep getting a message that it's too large so will try again another time.  There's a one-storey building to the left of the postcard that is perhaps the cottage that my relatives would have lived in when William White was the Cemetery keeper/superintendent.

1881 Census: William White (53 years, 'Cemetery Keeper' @ 'Dalziel Cemetery'.  Residing with him are his wife Mary (50) and sons Thomas (17), a Railway Labourer, and George (12).

1891 Census: William (63) recorded as 'Superintendent of Cemetery' @ "Dalziel Cemetery Ho'.  Residing with him are his wife Mary (60) and son George (age illegible) who is working at the ironworks.

1901 Census: William (73 recorded as 'General labourer' @ 'Dalziel Cemetery'.  Residing with him are his wife Mary (70) and a servant, Mary Millsopp (57).

Not sure why 1901 occupation is 'general labourer' (seems like a demotion!).  I wondered whether someone else had taken over as Superintendent and William still did oddjobs but address is still the Cemetery and they presumably have enough income to employ a servant.  Any thoughts on the change in occupation description welcome.

Sadly, Mary (m.s. Fairley) then appears in General Register for Lunatics in Asylum for the Parish of Dalziel.  I need to do more research but looks like Mary died at Hartwood in 1907 (Lanark District Asylum.  There's reference to William having died 'here' but I don't know whether that just means he died in the Parish of Dalziel as both William and Mary seem to have been in Aberdeen between the Census of 1901 and their deaths in 1906 and 1907 (son William Henry lived there).

William's death certificate (14 Jan 1907) records his residence as 'Cemetery Cottage, Dalziel' and his occupation as 'Grave digger'.

William had been a soldier in the 2nd Dragoons Scots Greys until 1874 and I need to brush up on undertaking military searches and start a separate thread about this but wanted to update some findings relating to the White family's stay at Dalziel/Globe Cemetery.

best wishes
Bella

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« Reply #39 on: Thursday 22 February 24 17:31 GMT (UK) »
This isn't the postcard I bought but a similar image showing the Cemetery cottages.
Bella

From: https://www.culturenlmuseums.co.uk/story/cradle-of-scotlands-railways/

"The Jerviston Viaduct which towered over the Globe Cemetery was built in 1840 to carry the Wishaw and Coltness Railway over the Calder Vale in Motherwell. This was the first structure of its type in Scotland with stone piers over 30 metres high supporting a wooden framework. The viaduct was demolished in the 1920s."


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« Reply #40 on: Thursday 22 February 24 21:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi Bella,

The postcard is definitely the Globe cemetery. There are two cottages in the picture, which would make sense.
The Globe viaduct was, as you rightly say, demolished in the 1920s. You may be interested to know that the stones from the demolished structure were recycled and used as part of the foundations of Gleneagles Hotel, Perthshire, which was built as the flagship hotel of the Caledonian Railway Company.
As for William's occupation being described as a labourer, he may well have retired and allowed to stay in his cottage rent-free on the condition that he still did some work in the cemetery.
If he was in the regular army he would have been in receipt of an army pension, probably about sixpence a day.
A "servant" sounds a bit of an extravagance in a little but and ben cottage, she may have been known to them and was a glorified lodger (with a small L)  ;D
Milsop is a local name, they all lived in the Milton St area, the street that leads down to the Globe.

Good luck with your research,
Lodger.

 
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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« Reply #41 on: Thursday 22 February 24 22:19 GMT (UK) »
As ever, that's all really helpful Lodger.

According to the 1901 Census, the domestic servant, Mary Millsopp, was born in Ireland as was William's wife, Mary.  William's regiment was based in Ireland more than once (and some of William and Mary's children were born there).  No idea if there's any connection to Mary Millsopp from those days or whether they just knew her from local area.

There's another Caledonian Railway connection - one of William's sons, Robert, is recorded in the 1921 Census as a Cart Waggon Inspector working for the company.  I wonder what the difference would have been between his monthly wage and a night at the Gleneagles Hotel!  Maybe I should book myself a trip and class it as family history research :)

Bella

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« Reply #42 on: Thursday 22 February 24 22:29 GMT (UK) »

There's another Caledonian Railway connection - one of William's sons, Robert, is recorded in the 1921 Census as a Cart Waggon Inspector working for the company.  I wonder what the difference would have been between his monthly wage and a night at the Gleneagles Hotel!  Maybe I should book myself a trip and class it as family history research :)

Bella

 ;D ;D ;D That's what to do Bella, put it on expenses and, if you need an independent consultant to accompany you, let me know.  8)
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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« Reply #43 on: Thursday 22 February 24 22:35 GMT (UK) »
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« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 28 February 24 23:25 GMT (UK) »
One (last!) post on William White and Globe/Dalziel Cemetery. 

I found an short article in Motherwell Times (March 6th 1903) mentioning the need to upgrade the cottage that William and family lived in prior to his death:

Dalziel Parish Council - Cemetery

"The Cemetery Committee reported that after hearing report by members of the committee who had visited and examined the house occupied by the late William White, assistant gravedigger, they had resolved to recommend that the house be put in a proper condition of repair (the probable cost of the necessary improvements being estimated by the committee at £30), and that the remit be made to the sub-committee to have the work carried out.
On the motion of Mr Fraser the report was adopted."

I wonder what the Cemetery Committee would make of the state of the cemetery now!

NB: William is recorded as 'assistant gravedigger' which I think supports Lodger's suggestion that he 'semi-retired' as the Cemetery Superintendent (occupation listed in an earlier Census) but was able to stay on in a cottage.

Bella