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Offline robert g shaw

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Missing records
« on: Sunday 11 October 20 12:22 BST (UK) »
Hi

There are several missing records of known marriages, i was wondering why this was. These pertain to the Standish areas. The odd thing is that there are a lot of records for their children, but none anywhere including outside of Lancashire for the marriage.
If they had a catholic wedding would that make a difference? but if they did why baptise their kids in a C of E church where that was recorded.

The missing weddings are..
Thomas to isabella c1735
Alexander to Jane c1710
Alexander to Ellin c1658
John to Ann c 1636
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton

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Re: Missing records
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 October 20 12:24 BST (UK) »
Missing from what database.  You have not given us a surname
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Re: Missing records
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 October 20 12:37 BST (UK) »
This may be a silly question, but why are they "known marriages" if they cannot be found?
Did all these couples have children and where were they baptised?
Where have you looked (such as FamilySearch or Lancs OPC)

The possibilities seem to be:
The CofE Parish Registers have not been fully transcribed.
The surnames have been mistranscribed.
The marriages took place outside the local area.
The marriages were not in a CofE church - they were RC or nonconformist.
No marriages took place.

Without knowing the surname and the local parish (and the source of your information) I don't see how we can help in the search.

Philip
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Re: Missing records
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 October 20 13:09 BST (UK) »
Surname is probably SHAW  ;D

If the database you are using is Lancashire OPC marriages for Standish don't start until 1653.

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Re: Missing records
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 11 October 20 15:14 BST (UK) »
Missing from what database.  You have not given us a surname

Stupid me... Its Shaw
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 11 October 20 15:22 BST (UK) »
This may be a silly question, but why are they "known marriages" if they cannot be found?
Did all these couples have children and where were they baptised?
Where have you looked (such as FamilySearch or Lancs OPC)

The possibilities seem to be:
The CofE Parish Registers have not been fully transcribed.
The surnames have been mistranscribed.
The marriages took place outside the local area.
The marriages were not in a CofE church - they were RC or nonconformist.
No marriages took place.

Without knowing the surname and the local parish (and the source of your information) I don't see how we can help in the search.

Philip

Because their baptisms were recorded and many referred to the "wife" by name.

Yes ive done all the regular sources, they record the baptisms which usually took place quite soon after marriage.. but not the marriage, they even have some of the spouses baptisms 30 odd years previous. Ive viewed the registers online and found no omissions in dates.. just no record of the marriage.
Yes ive searched other areas... There is one for Thomas and Isabella in York, but i have no idea why Thomas should have been in york.

Reading the Wills, im sure these people married as they were clearly god fearing.

Where could i view RC or non conformist records? there was a quaker presence too..

cheers
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton

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Re: Missing records
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 October 20 15:24 BST (UK) »
Surname is probably SHAW  ;D

If the database you are using is Lancashire OPC marriages for Standish don't start until 1653.

yep... but family search have them online going back further, and 3 of those marriages were after 1653.

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Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 October 20 15:34 BST (UK) »
The missing weddings are..
Thomas to isabella c1735
Alexander to Jane c1710
Alexander to Ellin c1658
John to Ann c 1636



Familysearch have the Bishops transcripts,  Looks like they are missing the dates you are looking for.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/551007?availability=Family%20History%20Library

Standish baptisms, marriages and burials (text in Latin), 1611, 1616, 1620, 1623, 1627, 1630-1633,  1636-1639, 1641;

Standish baptisms, marriages and burials (text in English), 1662-1665, 1668-1686; 1691-1698.

Standish baptisms, marriages and burials, 1785-1805;
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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 11 October 20 15:43 BST (UK) »
There are non-conformist records on both Family Search and on Ancestry (if you subscribe)

However - as far as I know all marriages, even for those with Non-Conformist and RC beliefs, had to take place in a C of E Church - EXCEPT for Quakers and Jews, who were allowed to hold their own ceremonies.

After 1837  they could be held in a Non Conformist or RC Church, but a Registrar had to be present.
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Ireland ------Cleary, Whelan - Nenagh.
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