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Re: Martin - Carroll Families in Surrey and Woolwich, Kent UK
« Reply #27 on: Monday 08 May 23 22:11 BST (UK) »
Thank you I will have a look

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Re: Martin - Carroll Families in Surrey and Woolwich, Kent UK
« Reply #28 on: Monday 08 May 23 22:30 BST (UK) »
Quote from: jonw65 on Saturday 06 May 23 18:35 BST (UK)
There is a James Martin born 3 Feb 1829 and baptized St George the Martyr, Southwark, 25 Feb 1829.
Parents John and Elizabeth, abode Kent Street, father a Labourer.

Well done Jonw65. I had seen that baptism for James and his sister Maria, and thought it seemed a strong possibility. Your find with the seaman's ticket adds extra weight.

A note regarding the address - Kent Street. It was a very long and narrow road which ran southeast from the church of St. George Southwark towards Kent. Now called Old Kent Road (A2), it was part of the great way from Dover (and the Continent) to the metropolis on London until the early nineteenth century.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Martin - Carroll Families in Surrey and Woolwich, Kent UK
« Reply #29 on: Monday 08 May 23 22:46 BST (UK) »
I have a question...

If John and Elizabeth married in St Mary, Newington, Southwark, Surrey, wouldnt their children be baptised in the same church?

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Re: Martin - Carroll Families in Surrey and Woolwich, Kent UK
« Reply #30 on: Monday 08 May 23 23:04 BST (UK) »
Their daughter Maria was baptised there. The family may not have had a strong tie to any particular church. Which ever church was closer was often the one used.
As a labourer, John Martin, may have moved around a bit with his family - going wherever there was work.
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St. George Southwark  and St Marys Newington are really very close to each other.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Martin - Carroll Families in Surrey and Woolwich, Kent UK
« Reply #31 on: Monday 08 May 23 23:09 BST (UK) »
OK thank you for that explanation

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Re: Martin - Carroll Families in Surrey and Woolwich, Kent UK
« Reply #32 on: Monday 08 May 23 23:52 BST (UK) »
Just a few more thoughts on that ….
Both children, James and Maria were baptised on a Wednesday. Looking at the church registers there appear to be a number of group baptisms on Sundays and Wednesdays.
Wednesday was a popular market day, so maybe that is when the Martins came into town. They may not have been regular Sunday church goers.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Martin - Carroll Families in Surrey and Woolwich, Kent UK
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 09 May 23 00:27 BST (UK) »
Thank you for sharing that information

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Re: Martin - Carroll Families in Surrey and Woolwich, Kent UK
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 13 May 23 07:56 BST (UK) »
Quote from: jonw65 on Saturday 06 May 23 08:25 BST (UK)
Catholic baptism at St George Southwark, 15 Nov 1835, connected or not? :-\
Gulielmus Martin
born 4 Aug 1835
son of Joannis + Elizabethae Martin olim Carroll
sponsor Anna Carroll

Hi Jon,
Where might I find this document please?

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Re: Martin - Carroll Families in Surrey and Woolwich, Kent UK
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 13 May 23 08:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Julie
That is also on findmypast, with image, in England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
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