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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #396 on: Tuesday 08 October 19 22:48 BST (UK) »
This is where I saw the reference to a Jessie Sophia Sutherland. From 1841 London:

James Sutherland 65 merchant b. Scotland
Elizabeth Sutherland 47 b. Scotland
Thomas Sutherland 13
Willm P Sutherland 12
Jas AL?? Sutherland 8
Elizabeth Sutherland 6
Donald D Sutherland 5
Jesse Sophia Sutherland 4
Mary I Sutherland 4
John Jas Sutherland 14 b, Scotland
and 2 servants

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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #397 on: Tuesday 08 October 19 22:57 BST (UK) »
This Jessie (or Jessy/e as it is mostly written as) died at the young age of 28 in 1865 in the Wandsworth area of London and was buried in the All Souls Cemetery, Kensal Green, London. Brother James Paton Sutherland was executor to her will.

In 1851, Jessie is with her family and living with her uncle, Thomas Sutherland (born c. 1788 in Scotland) and wife Janet in the Tottenham Court area of London.

Thomas and James, brothers/half-brothers...or cousins...to Captain John Sutherland?

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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #398 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 04:21 BST (UK) »
My head is ssssswwwimmmmiiinggg with all this and I feel I cannot possibly add to this particular conversation.  FWIW, and maybe just to feel I'm still part of this effort, I'm going to go over basics: 

James Francis Burke and Jessie Sophia Sutherland were married at the parish church in Clontarf April 20 1850.  The record shows both as "of this (UCI) Parish", so it appears they were both residents of Clontarf.  No other definitive record to show them arriving or living there.

A few months later, they sail from Dublin to Liverpool to Philadelphia, arriving on October 3rd aboard the Bark Falcon.  Went immediately to Cincinnati.

Birthdates of children that I know of

(might have been a Francis born Dec. 2, 1851).

1855, OCT. 5TH           MARY HELEN BURKE
1858                 ALICE BURKE, (my great grandmother's mother)
1861, AUG 29 or 27   JOHN JAMES BURKE
1862                      JOHN CHARLES BURKE


That's incredible news that the St. Xavier archive is now online.  Would love to search it.       
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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #399 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 09:25 BST (UK) »

 There  is an entry in the abstract of wills for John Sutherland in 1847.I do not know if this means a will still exists(and,if so how to obtain it).Most records were apparently destroyed in a fire.The will obviously pre dates Jesse's marriage but could perhaps provide other clues,perhaps about his wife.

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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #400 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 09:50 BST (UK) »
It's been a while,but I haven't given up.
There may be some merit in the following line of enquiry:-
I have found a record for the marriage in 1809 for John Southerland(sic),Galway Militia, to "Miss Daly of Tokery Lodge".The record is in  Irish Marriages 1771-1812,Walkers Hibernian Magazine available at www.archive.org.
 
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No Marriage Agreement registered


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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #401 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 10:20 BST (UK) »



Did anyone chase up McLoughlin's Deed letting the land at Tokay to Daly?


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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #402 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 10:34 BST (UK) »
My head is ssssswwwimmmmiiinggg with all this and I feel I cannot possibly add to this particular conversation.  FWIW, and maybe just to feel I'm still part of this effort, I'm going to go over basics: 

James Francis Burke and Jessie Sophia Sutherland were married at the parish church in Clontarf April 20 1850. The record shows both as "of this (UCI) Parish", so it appears they were both residents of Clontarf.  No other definitive record to show them arriving or living there.

A few months later, they sail from Dublin to Liverpool to Philadelphia, arriving on October 3rd aboard the Bark Falcon.  Went immediately to Cincinnati.

Birthdates of children that I know of

(might have been a Francis born Dec. 2, 1851).

1855, OCT. 5TH           MARY HELEN BURKE
1858                 ALICE BURKE, (my great grandmother's mother)
1861, AUG 29 or 27   JOHN JAMES BURKE
1862                      JOHN CHARLES BURKE


That's incredible news that the St. Xavier archive is now online.  Would love to search it.       


It only proves they were living in Clontarf Parish for 15 days prior to Marriage.
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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #403 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 11:03 BST (UK) »
I'm not sure what is implied by "not registered" for both the 1809 marriage and 1847 will.

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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #404 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 11:10 BST (UK) »
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